About religion(s).

ghostspider · Post by **ghostspider** » Fri Mar 05, 2004 12:53 am

Religious groups, institutions, aggressive or non aggressive are't driving the cause of normal man. Those are lead by powerhungry people who have lost contact with the world, for example catholics and the pedophile stuff, aggressive islams, jews with their fucked up stuff etc, we got dem. but as I would say, politics, drives the same cause too, there are lots of aggressive political groups waking wars too.
War is not because of religion itself, it is because of the peoples views at world and other people, we should learn to be tolerant at eachother.
Religions as it is, like bible and other books, aren't only made because what you think to fool people, many rules and laws there were to fit the world back then and it was good thing, people had to put under somekind of control, because without control there would be chaos. Religions and books like that have lost its meaning in todays world, as a law, tho there is still lots of good guidelines. Caring about other people is the message and do you say that is a bad message?
ofcourse, christianity and such have been spread by force and by blood and war, that is not a good way to spread religion, but the base is good and in aftermath it gives a bad look at the religion itself when looking back at time what they did etc. good book it still is as a guideline for people.

I say, dont dismiss religions. I encourage spiritual growth of human, because what are you without yourself, you arent full if you arent one with yourself and with your soul. What are you when you discard your spiritual side, just a machine, but when you come to think yourself and let your spiritual side grow along with you, you dont have to believe in any mass religion, read study and do what feels good.
you everyone of you, is a soul, your body is just a portion of soul, and your soul is a spiritual being which needs to be one with the body, one with reason and senses. I can't and won't point to any god or gods which you should follow because I am not the one to point any directions and I'm the worst guide to be.

I myself try to study my spiritual side and at the same time study nature, because I believe in forces that are supernatural, I study old non christian/jew-oriented religions that were here in europe before that, and the same time I try to search for my roots, I find it interesting and fulfilling. It's not because that I am weak, it's because I feel that I want to know more.

-- so dont discard religions at first sight flame the institutions built by by people. religions aren't about war, people are the cause of the war.
(sorry had to write this)

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Nineteen · Post by **Nineteen** » Fri Mar 05, 2004 6:02 pm

i believe in god. Im not ashamed to admit it, cause there is no reason to be. I had a discussion about this with some girls at school today. the one was saying that religion was created by governments to control the people, and kept on blaming god for everything even though se didnt believe in him...

btw this is the first time ive seen someone speak about this on forums

Jake · Post by **Jake** » Thu Mar 11, 2004 1:28 am

Im agnostic

I don't beleive in god but I beleive in a supereor power just not sure that the human person can know.

youth89 · Post by **youth89** » Fri Mar 12, 2004 3:54 am

Would you agree then that religon in general should be abolished on the statement of it causes to much controversy. They kill eachother trying to settle whos right and whos wrong... why even support such a thing? If you look back you can see that at the time, I beleive it was, the cromagnum man evolution in humans occured... humans start to relize there own mortality and begin to beleive in a higher being... but it was not one god. This beleif is the newest one... muslim, christianity... so on and so forth... In the books of these gods, you see them killing there "children," bringing terror and death. Nothing good seemed to come of this. I say stop the wrath cycle where it is, and embrace the fact of there not being a god... I do mean to offend, I respect you for who you are... my best friends beleive in god, and I do not try to force my beliefs on them. I don't even talk about my beliefs unless confronted.

shandriz · Post by **shandriz** » Fri Mar 12, 2004 6:31 am

youth89 wrote: Would you agree then that religon in general should be abolished on the statement of it causes to much controversy. They kill eachother trying to settle whos right and whos wrong... why even support such a thing? If you look back you can see that at the time, I beleive it was, the cromagnum man evolution in humans occured... humans start to relize there own mortality and begin to beleive in a higher being... but it was not one god. This beleif is the newest one... muslim, christianity... so on and so forth... In the books of these gods, you see them killing there "children," bringing terror and death. Nothing good seemed to come of this. I say stop the wrath cycle where it is, and embrace the fact of there not being a god... I do mean to offend, I respect you for who you are... my best friends beleive in god, and I do not try to force my beliefs on them. I don't even talk about my beliefs unless confronted.

My friend... everything causes war. It is human nature to be agressive towards one another. War has been caused over the stupidest stuff. Even if Religion was abolished, I am sure that we would find something else to fight over.

I refer you to dr. Suess. In one of his stories, there was a war between the people that liked their toast butter side up and those that liked it butter side down. In the end, after their flags had been destroyed, they noticed that they were exactly the same.

Ozzie · Post by **Ozzie** » Fri Mar 12, 2004 6:37 am

hehehe dr suess was 1337

but i totally agree shandriz human nature is to survive which often means picking off someone else, its not a good thing, not a good thing at all, i just hope in time some people realise truly how stupid they are, but as they say actions speak louder than words

youth89 · Post by **youth89** » Fri Mar 12, 2004 6:46 am

shandriz wrote:
youth89 wrote: Would you agree then that religon in general should be abolished on the statement of it causes to much controversy. They kill eachother trying to settle whos right and whos wrong... why even support such a thing? If you look back you can see that at the time, I beleive it was, the cromagnum man evolution in humans occured... humans start to relize there own mortality and begin to beleive in a higher being... but it was not one god. This beleif is the newest one... muslim, christianity... so on and so forth... In the books of these gods, you see them killing there "children," bringing terror and death. Nothing good seemed to come of this. I say stop the wrath cycle where it is, and embrace the fact of there not being a god... I do mean to offend, I respect you for who you are... my best friends beleive in god, and I do not try to force my beliefs on them. I don't even talk about my beliefs unless confronted.
My friend... everything causes war. It is human nature to be agressive towards one another. War has been caused over the stupidest stuff. Even if Religion was abolished, I am sure that we would find something else to fight over.

I refer you to dr. Suess. In one of his stories, there was a war between the people that liked their toast butter side up and those that liked it butter side down. In the end, after their flags had been destroyed, they noticed that they were exactly the same.

Yes very true... just religon is the biggest part now... holding science up on ethics of god and stuff like that... kill your abortionist... just things like that... Narrow minded fools, that is why I think religon is the biggest part, your afraid of it, kill it. But then again yes it is human nature, being afraid, must destroy.

shandriz · Post by **shandriz** » Fri Mar 12, 2004 7:15 am

youth89 wrote:
shandriz wrote:
youth89 wrote: Would you agree then that religon in general should be abolished on the statement of it causes to much controversy. They kill eachother trying to settle whos right and whos wrong... why even support such a thing? If you look back you can see that at the time, I beleive it was, the cromagnum man evolution in humans occured... humans start to relize there own mortality and begin to beleive in a higher being... but it was not one god. This beleif is the newest one... muslim, christianity... so on and so forth... In the books of these gods, you see them killing there "children," bringing terror and death. Nothing good seemed to come of this. I say stop the wrath cycle where it is, and embrace the fact of there not being a god... I do mean to offend, I respect you for who you are... my best friends beleive in god, and I do not try to force my beliefs on them. I don't even talk about my beliefs unless confronted.
My friend... everything causes war. It is human nature to be agressive towards one another. War has been caused over the stupidest stuff. Even if Religion was abolished, I am sure that we would find something else to fight over.

I refer you to dr. Suess. In one of his stories, there was a war between the people that liked their toast butter side up and those that liked it butter side down. In the end, after their flags had been destroyed, they noticed that they were exactly the same.
Yes very true... just religon is the biggest part now... holding science up on ethics of god and stuff like that... kill your abortionist... just things like that... Narrow minded fools, that is why I think religon is the biggest part, your afraid of it, kill it. But then again yes it is human nature, being afraid, must destroy.

Yes... must destroy. You say this as you bash religion. The only reason that religion causes wars is because of intollerence. Anyone saying that religion is a bad thing is also practicing intollerence. Therefor, you are starting the very war that you seek to destroy.

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SirGalahad · Post by **SirGalahad** » Sat Mar 13, 2004 12:05 am

Shandriz is right, religious intolerance is a huge reason why people go to war and why people fight in general. But it's just an excuse to be extremely pissy to your neighbors. You abolish religion and people would find just as many other reasons to make war. Thus is human nature and always will be.

World peace will only exist when humans cease to. Sad but true.

shandriz · Post by **shandriz** » Sat Mar 13, 2004 12:21 am

Besides which... imaging how many faction wars would erupt in china without hinduism and budhism. They are both extremely peacful religions and without them that entire section would have been torn to peices long ago.

SirGalahad · Post by **SirGalahad** » Sat Mar 13, 2004 12:42 am

Ya, I see your point. It's a Catch 22. Damned if you do, damned if you don't. Some situations benefit one part of the world (like the China situation you brought up) while others give people an excuse to kill people in the name of God (like the situation between Israel and Palestinians).

ghostspider · Post by **ghostspider** » Sat Mar 13, 2004 5:24 am

Every religion as in the base form of it is peaceful and drives the cause of love and peace. it is us the people, who have twisted the words of the books and meanings to fit and to drive our cause. it is us in our greed not any religion. it is sad to see people even thinking of blaming a religion about it. The reasons of war is always from us humans, ie neighbour has better crop than I so I must take over his land in jealosy, or over a woman, or some nut borderline. They just seek an excuse and hide the reason for the greed by twisting the words of religion, because it is easy. In china and some other countries, people have lots of other reason to kill other people.